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Old 11-02-2005, 03:05 PM
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Poi Pet (Cambodia)

For members who have been all over Thailand maybe you can try visiting Poi Pet. This is a border town in Cambodia just outside Thailand. From Bangkok the bus ride is about three and a half hours. You need to apply for a visa (1,000 bahts) which you can get on the spot when you cross the border. The visa is for a month. In Poi Pet there are about six five-star casinos. Rooms are relatively cheap (500 - 700 bahts per night). Food is practically free because you will be issued buffet vouchers. On top of this in the casinos you can eat and drink whatever you want. From Poi Pet you can also go for a trip to Angkor Wat which is about five hours away. There are many organized tours catering to whatever you want. There is also a fish-bowl massage palour called Venus which is comparable to those in Bangkok. Transport to and fro different casinos is free (anyway they are situated quite near to each other). I have been there twice and it is something different and refreshing. You need not have to be a big gambler. However, if you purchase a certain amount of chips you are entitled to free accommodation. Those who are interested can e-mail me for further information. I will be going there again at the end of March.
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For members who have been all over Thailand maybe you can try visiting Poi Pet. This is a border town in Cambodia just outside Thailand.
Well, frankly speaking, I kind-of really admire that you have the balls to get fun at the "tigers den". I'm currently planning to go to Siem Reap by road and my biggest headache is to get through the Cambodian customs. Take a look at the following website and you will know what I meant. There are countless stories on scams, corruption, aggressive touts & drivers and tricksters written by those who have went past the place. These incidents are documented as "The Tales of Asia."

http://www.talesofasia.com/cambodia-overland.htm

Good Luck to your trip in March. Thanks for sharing anyway!
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Old 12-02-2005, 02:23 AM
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Well, frankly speaking, I kind-of really admire that you have the balls to get fun at the "tigers den". I'm currently planning to go to Siem Reap by road and my biggest headache is to get through the Cambodian customs. Take a look at the following website and you will know what I meant. There are countless stories on scams, corruption, aggressive touts & drivers and tricksters written by those who have went past the place. These incidents are documented as "The Tales of Asia."

http://www.talesofasia.com/cambodia-overland.htm

Good Luck to your trip in March. Thanks for sharing anyway!
hey bro! all i can i say is a trip that's definitely worth the risk. I followed the routes guided by http://www.talesofasia.com/cambodia-overland.htm and make it back in one piece.. Great place to visit, Great temples, nice people and backpackers, and a whole lot of great experience.. something u won't experience if u travel by air. i spend 4 days 3 nites there and spent only 100-200 sing dollars.. planning another trip this year ,, hopefully a longer one.
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Old 12-02-2005, 02:26 AM
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Re: Poi Pet (Cambodia)

hey bro! all i can i say is a trip that's definitely worth the risk. I followed the routes guided by http://www.talesofasia.com/cambodia-overland.htm and make it back in one piece.. Great place to visit, Great temples, nice people and backpackers, and a whole lot of great experience.. something u won't experience if u travel by air. i spend 4 days 3 nites there and spent only 100-200 sing dollars.. planning another trip this year ,, hopefully a longer one.

i know some bros are gonna fu.k us for toking about tis here.. sorri bros! juz sharing.
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Re: Poi Pet (Cambodia)

hey bro! all i can i say is a trip that's definitely worth the risk. I followed the routes guided by http://www.talesofasia.com/cambodia-overland.htm and make it back in one piece.. Great place to visit, Great temples, nice people and backpackers, and a whole lot of great experience.. something u won't experience if u travel by air. i spend 4 days 3 nites there and spent only 100-200 sing dollars.. planning another trip this year ,, hopefully a longer one.
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Re: Poi Pet (Cambodia)

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hey bro! all i can i say is a trip that's definitely worth the risk. I followed the routes guided by http://www.talesofasia.com/cambodia-overland.htm and make it back in one piece.. Great place to visit, Great temples, nice people and backpackers, and a whole lot of great experience.. something u won't experience if u travel by air. i spend 4 days 3 nites there and spent only 100-200 sing dollars.. planning another trip this year ,, hopefully a longer one.
Went on road to Poi Pet, the scene at Imm dont looks good with beggar kids hanging around, many "service providers" offering very creative service like carrying your luagage, filling forms, etc.. I cant believe my eyes seeing the poverty level here. One of the most saddening scene where a young little girl, probably around 7 carrying a little baby, probably a year or two thats look half dead. Was very tempted to give her a little baht but was warned as this will only attract more beggars surrounding you. I could also see many one leg beggar begging around. The Q waiting to stamp your passport could anytime take at least 30~45 mins. You see lots of U-Turn Farangs getting their visa renewed there. Probably this is the cheapest and nearest route. The scene will surely temper your cheong spirit and mood.

Visited another border town, about 1~2 hours from Poi Pet, cant recall the name. It is even smaller and worse. Frequented mostly by local thais only. The Imm dont even if Sporean and Malaysian need visa to enter Cambodia. The security and poverty looks terrifying, even to a daredevil cheongster like me. Have a brief tour in the casino, it looks more like underground dent with wooden square table with average betting at 50baht. You got a kind of wierd feeling with everyone looking at you as if you are another planet. The nearest ATM is some 30km away. Dead town when night darks.

You could also see AIDS posters everywhere round the corner as if there is an election. Official rate reports rate at 15%+ but the actual fact could be much much higher. Booking fees as low as 300baht ~ 500baht and they are targeting local thais, so you can imagine the dirt cheap price.

Sorry if I sounds too negative, but I have yet to see any positive things to share. Perhaps it suits backpackers who like the challenge and risk of wild life but surely not for cheongster like me.
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Re: Poi Pet (Cambodia)

Bro, watch out when you go to Cambodia this time around, as just last 2 weeks there are a group of tourists been robbed by gunmen who are loitering around the custom checkpoints searching for targets. I used to travel to Poi Pet quite often before as I got to extend visa every month when I was still waiting for my work permit. All I can say is that it's not as simple as it is cos it may look okay but in fact it's damm dangerous to travel in Cambodia. I personally saw an american man beaten by the cambodian police before (about 5 months ago). So whatever you do in cambodia, I wish all the best!
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Re: Poi Pet (Cambodia)

If there is a choice other than going there to extend visa or gambling, best is don't go.

Went there 3 times before and the feeling in going there gets worst each time.

Want to see a place that looks war-stricken, this is the place.

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Re: Poi Pet (Cambodia)

I have been pondering over the route to take to Siem Reap from BK over the past few days. It's great to hear from ppl who had travelled along the Poipet route before. Guys, thanks for sharing your experiences here!! In fact, after reading the articles from the Tales of Asia, I'm thinking it may be better idea to fly into HCMC and move into Phnom Penh (i.e via the Viet-Cambodian border), Siem Reap and finally cross the border at Poipet to Bangkok. I read that it's less problematic to get from Poipet to Bangkok. Hope this is true. Anybody has any comment/advice on this ?? Thanks !!!

Oh, btw, if you are wondering what's the hack I'm doing....I'm just trying to visit the 4 cities - BK, Siem Reap, PP and HCMC on a single trip.

Sorry WillyL, need to borrow your thread to ask for some advice. Thanks.
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Re: Poi Pet (Cambodia)

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I have been pondering over the route to take to Siem Reap from BK over the past few days. It's great to hear from ppl who had travelled along the Poipet route before. Guys, thanks for sharing your experiences here!! In fact, after reading the articles from the Tales of Asia, I'm thinking it may be better idea to fly into HCMC and move into Phnom Penh (i.e via the Viet-Cambodian border), Siem Reap and finally cross the border at Poipet to Bangkok. I read that it's less problematic to get from Poipet to Bangkok. Hope this is true. Anybody has any comment/advice on this ?? Thanks !!!

Oh, btw, if you are wondering what's the hack I'm doing....I'm just trying to visit the 4 cities - BK, Siem Reap, PP and HCMC on a single trip.

Sorry WillyL, need to borrow your thread to ask for some advice. Thanks.
At the Cambodia border, there will be people who are willing to fill up you visa for you. Pay them 100 or 200 bahts and things will go smoothly. The first time I was there I was misled by my Thai friend that I did not need a visa. When I tried to cross the Thai border back to Bangkok, I was asked to return to Cambodia. Since I did not get a visa I was told that I had overstayed by four days. In the end I have to pay for the visa (1,000 bahts) and fined 2,000 bahts (500 bahts for one day) for overstaying and another 300 bahts for administrative charges. What an experience. So be sure to apply for a visa at the Cambodia border. Best wishes for the coming trip. You will thoroughly enjoy it because it is something different.
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Old 13-02-2005, 11:10 PM
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Re: Poi Pet (Cambodia)

I had travelled to Siem Reap from Bangkok thru Poipet. I travelled with 2 other friends. As with other bros here in the forum, I follow the guide in www.talesofasia.com. It is one of the best website on Cambodia. Any bros interested to know more about other websites, I shall post it later.

It is true that it is quite chaotic at Poipet. The journey can be divided into 3 parts from Bangkok to Siem Reap thru Poipet.
1. Bangkok to Aranyaprathet (the border town at Thailand side) - this part is the easiest. Took a coach from the Mochi bus terminal in bangkok and about 4 - 6hrs later will be at Aranyaprathet.

2. To cross the custom, had to take a tuk-tuk or motorbike from the dropping point (from the coach) at Aranyaprathet to the custom area. I suggest taking a lunch here if u start the journey in the morning. After lunch, proceed to the custom. The Thai side usually no problem. At the Cambodian side, that is the fun part. For Malaysian, there is no need for Visa. For Singaporean, a visa can be applied on the spot. Take note that the actual fee is 1000B or US$20. If calcuate, it is more worthwhile to pay in US dollars. But sometimes they dun accept and insists on bahts. And they will ask more than 1000B. Note that anything more than 1000B will be their pocket money. I paid them 1100B. Dun want to argue with them. Anyway noted that the person who ask u for the passport to be pasted with the visa and collect the money from u might not be in uniform. sometime they wear civilian clothes. just make sure that an uniformed one is nearby and make sure they see the transaction. After the visa, which is actually quite easy except for the pocket money, u might find someone following u. Dun be alarmed as they are mostly harmless but troublesome touts who try to get u to get into their "favourite" car for the transport to Siem Reap. I usually ignore them but they will still stick u like rice. Just ignore them and dun talk or look at them.

3. From Poipet to Siem Reap. For those not staying at Poipet for the night, you could take a transport from here. There are 3 types of transport. Coach, car and pickup. For those travelling on their own instead of buying the guided package from the tour agent in Khao San Rd in Bangkok, I think it is stupid to travel in the coach since in the first place, the reason for travelling on your own is to avoid being "sold" to a guest house in Siem Reap. Dun be alarmed by the word "sold". Will explained in my next post. For those taking pickup, it is a tough ride. And it dun go directly to Siem Reap. It will stop at a town and u need to change to another pickup. Choose pickup for the really adventurous. I choose car since I had 2 other friends. 3 of us shared a car and the whole car including the driver cost 1200 bahts. If 4 person sharing, each paid 300 bahts and it is quite worth it. Noted that the ride from Poipet to Siem Reap is a rough one and it take at least 6 hours. But at the end, in Siem Reap, enjoy the scenery at Angkor Wat, and experienced 4 hands massage - not found in Sg. hehehe...will continued with more info. on next post.
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At the Cambodia border, there will be people who are willing to fill up you visa for you. Pay them 100 or 200 bahts and things will go smoothly. The first time I was there I was misled by my Thai friend that I did not need a visa. When I tried to cross the Thai border back to Bangkok, I was asked to return to Cambodia. Since I did not get a visa I was told that I had overstayed by four days. In the end I have to pay for the visa (1,000 bahts) and fined 2,000 bahts (500 bahts for one day) for overstaying and another 300 bahts for administrative charges. What an experience. So be sure to apply for a visa at the Cambodia border. Best wishes for the coming trip. You will thoroughly enjoy it because it is something different.
Actually, there is no need to pay someone to fill up the visa for u. Did u travelled on your own, or u buy the tour package from a tour agent in Bangkok. If you bought the tour package, then there will be someone offering to apply the visa, filling up for u and say everything is smooth. It is a scam. Filling up the form for visa is simpler than filling up those form at the Johor custom. The form is simpler. Just pay up the money and photograph. It is that simple. The most difficult part is trying to minimise the pocket money they pocket from you. One of the advice from talesofasia is to ask for receipt. I have not try before but it work on someone before.
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I have been pondering over the route to take to Siem Reap from BK over the past few days. It's great to hear from ppl who had travelled along the Poipet route before. Guys, thanks for sharing your experiences here!! In fact, after reading the articles from the Tales of Asia, I'm thinking it may be better idea to fly into HCMC and move into Phnom Penh (i.e via the Viet-Cambodian border), Siem Reap and finally cross the border at Poipet to Bangkok. I read that it's less problematic to get from Poipet to Bangkok. Hope this is true. Anybody has any comment/advice on this ?? Thanks !!!

Oh, btw, if you are wondering what's the hack I'm doing....I'm just trying to visit the 4 cities - BK, Siem Reap, PP and HCMC on a single trip.

Sorry WillyL, need to borrow your thread to ask for some advice. Thanks.
hi bro Hurricane,

It is less problematic to get from Poipet to Bangkok because the "bottleneck" is really at the Cambodia custom. Thailand custom dun have this type of problem as long as u follow the rule. The problem at the Cambodia side is that they dun follow the offical rules, and if they follow, they will "die" of hunger. Their monthly salary is damn low that they had to resort to this type of scam. I dun mind ripped off sometime, but only in small amount. If the ripped is a few Sg dollars, I dun really mind as long as thing go on smoothly. I believe in Sg, if u buy something a few dollars but when back home, if u dun really need the thing, that few thing u buy will be in "cold storage" liao. A few dollars is ok. There is always ripped off when travel in this part of the world. The trip is how to minimize this. Even those who are born in Cambodia but work/study in France / US or other part of Europe also kenna ripped off because they lost their native accent even though they can speak Khmer.

I myself had travelled from Bkk - Poipet - Siem Reap - Phnom Penh and back to Bangkok. I actually want to go to Ho Chin Minh City but give up due to lack of time. I think it is adventurous of u to cover the 4 cities in a single trip and I saluate u for that. You are the man. There is no harm doing that as there are many backpackers who had done that. Just do your home work , bring a good guide book (my favourite is Lonely Planet) and remember to apply for the necessary visa. Lastly, all you need is time. I think for your trip, to really appreciate the journey and the destination, it is advisable to go on at least 3 weeks.
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Hi fellow samster,

It is me again. 4th post in straight flush. When I in the mood to write, I will just keep on writing. Sorry for that.

For those who cross the border at Poipet, and when you see all those beggars, I think for all those kind-heartened Singaporean, you all will be tempted to donate money to them. My advice is NO donate to them. It is not that I am bad / black heartened. Relax and see below for the explanation and see the alternative way to help them.

Why NO donate?
1. Some of these beggar - especially those small kids, might be controlled by those big boss behind. If u give them the money, your hard-earned money might fall into those bastard instead of all these small kids.

2. Even if the small kids work independently. Imagine that if u give them money, u are encourging those kids to be a "professional" beggar for life. For the reason why, imagine, in the family of those beggar. The mother of the small kid tell his son to go to beg to get some money. The son got a few dollars from the kind-heartened travellers. The mother see that it is an easy money and will encourage his son to beg instead of sending them to school. If the son go to school, the family will lose a soure of income. If they beg, there will be more allowance for the family. To all fellow samster, do you want the small kid to be a beggar forever or you want them to go to study for their better future. You choose.

How to help them without giving them money.
Buy some bottles of mineral waters and bread or other portable form of food at Aranyaprathet or even in Poipet. When the kid approach you for money, give them water or food instead. They will still gladly accept from you.

From my own experience, there is this pair of brother and sister beggar who ask me money. I offer my last bottle of mineral water to the brother. He is very happy and from his smile and laughter, u will never forget that. What a geniue smile and laughter. I saw him running to his sister to share the drink, and the 2 kids are running around happily, and drinking water from the bottle. And they says thank you to me. I jokely tell the boy to make sure share the drink with his sister after I walk away. They just laugh and smile at me. This had make a deep impression on me. My little help had help them to quesh their thirst under the hot sun. It might not be a big help but it sure play a part.

Another way to help them is especially those who offered to carry your luggage at Aranyaprathet. They pulled a cart and offered to offer a ride to those traveller. They can sit on top on the cart with their luggage and backpack. Then these people will use their own physical strength to pull you and the luggage with him. The one I employed dun wear a single footwear and is a humble guy. They do it gladly. The mistake I done is to sit on top of the cart with 2 of my friends and with our backpack. Thinking back, I think we are quite bad. Actually just the backpack will be enough. Those people are mostly Cambodian. They travel across the border every morning to use their physical strength to work and earn for a living. My advice is to employ them to carry the luggage, but only luggage, no human on top of the cart. Reward them reasonablly at the custom. This is their way to earn a honest living.
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I myself had travelled from Bkk - Poipet - Siem Reap - Phnom Penh and back to Bangkok. I actually want to go to Ho Chin Minh City but give up due to lack of time. I think it is adventurous of u to cover the 4 cities in a single trip and I saluate u for that. You are the man. There is no harm doing that as there are many backpackers who had done that. Just do your home work , bring a good guide book (my favourite is Lonely Planet) and remember to apply for the necessary visa. Lastly, all you need is time. I think for your trip, to really appreciate the journey and the destination, it is advisable to go on at least 3 weeks.

Bro Lucifier,
Thanks for your information. Really appreciate your effort to write down so much details. I think you're quite lucky in your trip as you've 2 more ppl with you. It's much easier because you can split the cost. For me, i always to deal with these stuffs alone. Also can't take up those offers (esp for air tickets) for package for 2 or 4 pax. Otherwise, I would have fly into Siem Reap and save all the troubles. The ticket to Cambodia would cost me near to S$800 by Silkair. No choice but to travel on road.

Actually, I have been to several backpacking trips lasting from 3 weeks to 3 months. But, in my opinion, non of them will be as dangerous as this one. Worst, I'm travelling alone. That's why I really have to do extra homework to cover my ass. Thanks again for your info.
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